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KP02A body review, & comparison with HT's (Noland/BarneyRoss/Whiplash) body var.

KP02A body review, and side-by-side comparison with HT's (Noland/Barney Ross/Whiplash) body variant.

Some have requested a direct comparison between the 2.

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Originally Posted by Kaustic Plastik

I really hope to have your feedbacks, suggestions, critics!!

Feedbacks, Suggestions and Critiques... This would be all three.

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Originally Posted by Kaustic Plastik

It's between the model used in Expendables and T-800

More of the former by more ways than one.

Review
1. As suspected by myself and few others, KPA02 is "base on" HT Barney Ross/Whiplash body. A more accurate description is: KP used the base HT body and:
a) Adding sculpt to the exterior ot the torso, abs, arms and legs so that it varies from HT's.
b) The pelvis shape (exterior/function) remains mostly unchanged except for the slight shift of the screw holes.
c) The slight changes to shoulder rotation pin that (inadvertently) makes the Arms modular (you can pop it out of the socket).
d) The internals are almost 100% "recast" based on HT's body. Hence, good replacement/swappable parts with HT's bodies.
e) The whole body from the hips/pelvic region to the top of tip of the neck is the same length as the HT's, the upper legs are longer by approx 0.5 cm, while lower legs would be the same/similar to the extended lower legs (together with extended pegs option too) of HT variants, with standard TT lower legs it's approx 1.7cm longer. Proportionally, KP's legs seems too long.

The Good/Improvements:
1. Materials used are of good (I'd put it: preferred) quality. It gives some flexing while materials used by HT are more rigid which tends to break.
2. Thick PVC material used for the upper torso (which brings a weakness). HT's very thin by comparison.

The Bad/Weakness:
1. The far too thick PVC of the upper torso around the rib area, making it like fat build-up in odd places.
2. The knees bent has far too sharp angles jutting out.
3. The base of the neck is rather loose, so adjustment through a screw at the back would alleviate this, but you can't (which will be discuss in "the ugly").
4. Because of the pin design of the shoulders, it would be more prone to be loose, swinging back and forth over- a-time-course/frequent posing.

The Ugly:
1) The claims as a complete in-house KP 3D CAD design.
2) Drill out (Stripping) the "philips" screw head of the 3 screws holding the internal torso together, so no typical screw driver can "expose" further internals. Well, it took me all of 5 minutes dremel, to get the screw to be fully functioning again, I do appreciate a good mental challenge/obstacle. The QUESTION: Why create such an inconvenience? (I'll leave it at that)

Personal opinions:
KP did recreate a good alternative body (or duplicate body) with some weaknesses and some improvements. Being a retail product this is bound to be dissected to its basic components and be exposed for what it is. I personally disagree with the claims made. I would call a square, a square. Be it HT or any other companies, they would expect their products to be dissected with appropriate merits/credits to novelty of design.

Note on pics, I've used a compact wide angle camera so there will be some perspective distortion.... I could always break out my DSLR with macro-lens
Pictures: Left (KP02A): Right (Noland's body)

Pelvis:

Abdomen:

Upper Torso:

Odd sharp knees:

Arms/shoulder joint:

Proof on concept. The interchangeable parts of KP's and HT's bodies. Note, because of slight difference in sizes you can't by default use Noland's hips and legs on KP02A's pelvis, a minor mod will be needed to do so (as seen, you'll have no problems doing the opposite). Right: Hybrid as indicated by the colour. KP's inner neck peg and Arms/Shoulders on Noland's inner & outer upper torso, connected to KP's abdomen which is in turn to Noland's Pelvic and again to KP's hips and legs:

Odin's body: KP02A, (arms' obviously different) this is length/proportion comparison:

Needless to say I disagree with the following comments (with proof), "and why the bias?" is all that I'll add.:

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Similar, yes, copy, hell no!

Give the guy a break, he's just starting out and needs all the support he can get. We all have to start somewhere!

CHEERS!

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People seem to have serious issues of perception that I don't understand. If people can't tell the difference between the Iron Man Mark III and Mark IV designs even when side by side. I am not surprised that they can tell the difference between two similarly sized 1/6 scale human bodies.

The Kaustic body is very different from any of the HT bodies in many ways. It's clearly a made-from-scratch body that uses some similar articulation.

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I don't understand what you are getting at? Wouldn't you expect that 2 simalarily sized body builders to have similar proportions? Yes the side by side pics look similar. Similar in that that they are both muscular and have normal body parts. The design of the body though is vastly different. I don't know how much it cost to design a body but I guess it would be Thousands if not Tens of Thousands. I know if I had a company and spent that kind of money I would be offended if someone came along and said "but it's a recast of Hot Toys".

p.s. Take a product for what it is... alot of people do appreciate the availability and variation that KP bodies provide.

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Re: KP02A body review, & comparison with HT's (Noland/BarneyRoss/Whiplash) body

Interesting review. The KP-02 is the HT clone or sorts. The one that is sold on eBay for 25.00 right>?

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Re: KP02A body review, & comparison with HT's (Noland/BarneyRoss/Whiplash) body

Really thorough review, that answers some questions people have had. Kinda imagine this thread might get a little ugly, but thanks for the time to do the review for sure.

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Re: KP02A body review, & comparison with HT's (Noland/BarneyRoss/Whiplash) body

Well mate, a good review for sure

, but because here you telling (in some way) that I'm a copycat of an other company and a liar too, I think I have to add something to your review.

I will take of course your critics in the proper consideration, and for sure this body can have a lot of improvements and some weakness (so some of your critics are very welcome).. But some of your points, are honestly NOT CORRECT (and I can add also that are unfair)

a) Adding sculpt to the exterior of the torso, abs, arms and legs so that it varies from HT's.
How you can prove that? Did you see how our sculpture work? Did you see the material used for the sculpt? Do you have any kind of prove that we "added" something on a base of another company? Sorry to tell you, but this it's totally untrue and honestly unfair. But I will take thinking that not everybody can like me and what I do... So for sure you are not a fan of KP And this is ok for me.

Our muscular parts are made on a 100% new cast of the body. And until you cannot really prove this, I will take as was is: just a speculation.
I like also to add something, that on online you can find even the prove that what I'm saying it's true, and this proof are the sculpture used for this body, where you can see clearly that it's 100% new sculpt. As you can see from the pictures of the first prototype, that at the beginning a lot of mechanism (like shoulder mechanism) was not even added to the prototype, because is something that we added later on a 3D cad study of stability.

b) The pelvis shape (exterior/function) remains mostly unchanged except for the slight shift of the screw holes.
If I have to copy something.. why change the placement of the screw holes? And didn't you noticed, (even if from the picture is clear) that the internal part is different, even the number of part used are not the same! Didn't is this clear enough from the pictures? Why spend time changing? Why change the screw hole places? And you know how is possible decided a placement for Screw hole? Studying a model with a 3d cad program. I decided to keep as much similar as possible some parts and function of the pelvis, to keep compatibility with Hot Toys bodies. It's not a secret (because I said too many time) that my target was to make something compatible with Hot Toys, to give customers possibility of change it and make something unique, shifting pieces, etc.etc.

c) The slight changes to shoulder rotation pin that (inadvertently) makes the Arms modular (you can pop it out of the socket).
It's something we did intentionally. For the same reason I explained in the previous point. Give you possibility to change easily also the Torso, and interchange it with Hot Toys torso (and new torso as well, that we hope to produce soon)

d) The internals are almost 100% "recast" based on HT's body. Hence, good replacement/swappable parts with HT's bodies.
Again this is not true. It's very clear from your pictures, that our internal parts are only COMPATIBLE with hot toys mechanism (except some parts that are universal compatible, so every company uses the same), similar but not identical. You call it "recast", I call it 3d CAD Cast study of material, stability and improvement of technology

e) The whole body from the hips/pelvic region to the top of tip of the neck is the same length as the HT's, the upper legs are longer by approx 0.5 cm, while lower legs would be the same/similar to the extended lower legs (together with extended pegs option too) of HT variants, with standard TT lower legs it's approx 1.7cm longer. Proportionally, KP's legs seems too long.
So again you prove two things: 1) that it's not made adding sculpt on an HT body, so otherwise why have it of different length on legs? 2) That our model was carefully studied and designed on a 3D CAD program. How do you think a body can have this kind of stability, even if his weight its quite high? All this things are designed using 3D programs.. And you should know this very well Last thing. I don't think our leg are too long. You can find a lot of GREAT LOOKING bashes on internet based on our bodies.. and they look COOL, not deformed.

So I hope it's quite clear now that:

a) Our body it's not made adding a sculpt on some other products (different length, and different shape of muscular parts)
b) We never keep secret that we studied a way to make some mechanism as compatible as possible with HT. Why this shock you so much?
c) To arrive at this result, it's CLEAR that we used a 3D CAD design program. This kind of things are impossible to design without the help of a program like that.

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